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Monday, December 03, 2007

Favorite Posts and Frustrating Comments

I'm going to use the fact that Umm Zaid, of the acclaimed Sunni Sisters blog, mentioned three of my previous postings in the Favorite Posts section of her Islami Blaghies 2007 posting to do some self-promotion. The three she mentioned are The Face Veil...Let's Be Honest, Remembering the Veterans of "The War to End All Wars", and Khaled Abou El Fadl - "I follow...the Mutazila". I very much appreciate her positive feedback on this, and I guess I should add these articles to my PLEASE READ section on the sidebar.

Yes, on the right sidebar, below my website links, there's a box entitled PLEASE READ which contains links to the postings, guidelines and other articles that I feel are most essential to understanding the outlook, purpose and policies of this blog. These include my oft-ignored Comment Guidelines, two articles [(1)(2)] that touch upon my reasons for selecting "Mere Islam" as the title of this weblog, a lengthy rant against morally depraved Muslims and My Favorite Sufi Aphorism, as well as a tirade against a typical example of Islamophobic bigotry.

Also, for those of you who may not have noticed, I maintain an ARCHIVE INDEX for each year—2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007—that this blog has been in operation. These list all Mere Islam blog postings in sequential order, thus making it much easier to browse through the titles of all of our various postings.

Speaking of my oft-ignored Comment Guidelines...well lately a lot of comments have been sent to the rubbish bin without ever actually appearing on this blog. One thing that I wish readers would take note of is the fact that all comments are moderated. That means they will not show up right away, but only after I, the benevolent dictator of Mere Islam, read and approve them. Due to that, there's no need to submit them multiple times in a misguided attempt to get them to immediately show up.

Other than getting lots of duplicates, the main reason that comments get rejected is that they are, as my Our Guidelines for Comments put it, "completely lacking in merit". For example, one Bilal Iddinn chastised me for "Calling a fellow believer a grave worshipper" and of "outright slander" because he completely misread my comments regarding an email that I received from a "Salafi" (i.e. he thought it was me—Abdurrahman R. Squires—that was saying the things that the "Salafi" actually said). I rejected these comments because I didn't want them to confuse the matter nor distract from the issue at hand. Please read the comment in question, since I'm disappointed that it hasn't generated more feedback. I guess, however, that I shouldn't be surprised, since what else can they really say? Ha!

On another tack, I get comments from people who are seemingly perturbed by comments I've made on DeenPort.com (and all of my DeenPort.com postings can be found here), but instead of refuting—or even trying to refutethem, they send me links to long articles coupled with a challenge for me to "Refute this!"...so hopefully the non sequitur nature of this fallacious thinking is rather obvious.

And then there was the long comment from Abu Musa, in response to my Yusuf Al-Qaradawi Exposed posting, in which he says that my "exposiotion" [sic] was "nothing more than an attempt to ridicule, character assasinate and mock" although I'm not the author...which is not to say that I don't standby my posting of it. However, keep in mind that I'm just the messenger here—a mere promoter, rather than the author, of the painful truth (at least in this case). Anyway, Abu Musa then goes on to say that "Shk Qaradawi has not been a member of the Ikwaan for many a decades, nor does he form part of their shura", as if one has to be an official member of the Brotherhood in order to adhere to their outlook and methodology! That's like saying that one isn't a Marxist unless one is a card-carrying member of an official Marxist party. Sigh. The rest of Abu Musa's comments were just inflamed...yawn...rhetoric that I had a lot of trouble...snore...remaining attentive to while wading through. Typical of the methodology of doing everything possible except address the issues that Shaykh Gibril's article put forward was his saying that "Shaikh Gibril is an unknown in the scholastic world"...which just shows how out-of-touch he is. So are we to believe that al-Qaradawi's views are correct just because he's more well-known than Shaykh Gibril? Finally, he confused liking the "al-Halal wal-Halal" joke because the humorous way that such an artful quip passes judgment on many Islamically questionable opinions with "mocking of a Old Man" [sic]...and then threw in a brief diagnosis of my nafs to boot. Now there's a topic of interest—which is about as close as Abu Musa managed to come to hitting upon one.

Well that's the current state of affairs on Mere Islam, other than the fact that we're having an interesting discussion on the Theory of Evolution in the comments section of the O'Reilly Shamefully Ignorant of the Bible post, so feel free to join in. Things are becoming contentious and even a little rude, but so far the dialogue has been quite thought-provoking and interesting. I'm no expert on this subject, although I'm becoming increasingly well-read on it. I certainly feel that there are tons of misconceptions about what this theory means, coupled with a lot of misinformation about it written by religious people who obviously see it as a challenge to their faith. My call on this subject is for honesty and integrity, since misrepresenting the views of others gets us nowhere. Rather, Muslims should spend our time developing solid and coherent answers, from the Islamic point-of-view, that address the challenges that Darwinism presents (in theory or in fact) to religious belief. So far, I don't think that the religious side, whether Jew, Christian or Muslim, has done a very good job, since most of the anti-Evolution books and papers out there are a mixture of pseudo-science and bad theology written for popular, rather than scholarly, consumption. Which is not to say that some of the pro-Evolutionist, like Richard Dawkins, aren't guilty of taking their conclusions too far. Actually, that's one of the main points that I try to make: both sides, the scientific and the religious, have often stepped outside the bounds of their expertise on this issue...but that's a long story better left for that forum.

On a side note, while doing some reading on various aspects of Darwinism, I came across Luke vs. Matthew on the Year of Christ's Birth, by Richard Carrier, which is a detailed discussion of what appears to be a clear historical error in the New Testament.

Deen on...

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At 12/03/2007 06:14:00 PM, Blogger Belgian Beer said...

"My call on this subject is for honesty and integrity, since misrepresenting the views of others gets us nowhere. Rather, Muslims should spend our time developing solid and coherent answers, from the Islamic point-of-view, that address the challenges that Darwinism presents (in theory or in fact) to religious belief. So far, I don't think that the religious side, whether Jew, Christian or Muslim, has done a very good job, since most of the anti-Evolution books and papers out there are a mixture of pseudo-science and bad theology written for popular, rather than scholarly, consumption."

This reminds me of the standard Muslim call for dialogue and mutual understanding every time a Muslim fanatic commits an act of terrorism. Rather than condemning the individual terrorist by name, Muslims typically say that people of all faiths have committed terrorism, that Islam is a religion of peace, that Islam is not compatible with terrorism, and then hope that everyone will forget that anything ever happened.

You rightfully attack well-known frauds like Bill O’Reilly and Alan Dershowitz for their documented cases of manipulation and deceit. However, when a fellow believer outdoes both of these clowns, foolishly appealing to mutually contradictory authorities and then repeatedly twisting the views of a genuine scientist, even to the point of telling bold-faced lies -- and this for reasons that could only be deemed morally corrupt -- you generically call for “honesty and integrity” from “the religious side, whether Jew, Christian or Muslim.” Why not also generically call for “honesty and integrity” from both Palestinians and pro-Israeli Zionist fanatics each time Alan Dershowitz tells a bold-faced lie?

Your call for “honesty and integrity” seems like a careful act of diplomacy designed to avoid holding O’Reilly, Dershowitz, and that fundamentalist clown to one and the same standard. Principles count for something. All serious inquiry thrives on them. If principles are glaringly absent or selectively applied, then serious inquiry is effectively impossible. I would say that unless you’re willing to hold your fellow believer to the same standard by which you condemn O’Reilly and Dershowitz, this blog is simply not a forum for serious inquiry.

 
At 12/07/2007 05:30:00 AM, Blogger Lagouader said...

"I would say that unless you’re willing to hold your fellow believer to the same standard by which you condemn O’Reilly and Dershowitz, this blog is simply not a forum for serious inquiry."

Why bother to condemn anybody? Just be the best you can be, a good example to others, and avoid self-contradictions. If you could "change" yourself, let alone one or two other people, that would be the greatest thing ever.

http://salamlayla.blogspot.com/

 
At 12/13/2007 01:25:00 PM, Blogger Omar said...

On the topic of evolution, there are two short works which did it in for me.

The first is Sh. N.H. Keller's essay, which basically clarifies Islam's general view of evolution.

The second is Merryl Davies's (Welsh Muslim academic) book, Darwin and Fundamentalism, which basically examines the public discourse around the topic of evolution, but is valuable for its historical assessment and other interesting information our public discourse puts aside (such as the debate between S.J. Gould, respected paleontologist, and Dawkins). Highly recommend it. Short work which can be read in an hour or two.

Salaam and best wishes. Omar

 
At 12/13/2007 10:54:00 PM, Blogger Mere Muslim said...

Please don't be turned off by this particular posting by Belgium Beer, since usually his views are quite coherent. However, in this particular case he tries to twist my condemnation of the generally poor and often dishonest response of religious people to the Theory of Evolution (something that most religious people won't even admit!) by saying that I'm not holding them to the same standard as other examples of dishonesty that I also condemn. His attempt to show that my standard for condemnation is inconsistent is quite strained.

Anyway, we're currently having a detailed discussion about the Theory of Evolution under the O'Reilly Shamefully Ignorant of the Bible posting. In this discussion, Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller's essay on Evolution has been mentioned and discussed in some detail. I haven't Darwin and Fundamentalism, by Merryl Wyn Davies, but based on reviews of it that I have read, it seems to be just another tract that misrepresents, either intentionally or due to lack of understanding, the views of Richard Dawkins and other scientists. See the just-mentioned post for more details...

 
At 12/14/2007 09:50:00 AM, Blogger Omar said...

I looked on amazon.com for a review, but couldn't find the criticism you were talking about.

Anyway, I've skimmed some of the debate between S.J. Gould and Dawkins (can be read on-line) so I doubt Meryl Wynn Davies is doing nothing more than what set out to do; that is to describe the discourse surrounding evolution. She hits the nail on the head when she says that the discourse has been hijacked by fundamentalists on both sides -- Dawkinites and Creationists -- which has the unfortunate effect of marginalizing the complex and more nuanced discourse of some scientists and traditional believers. She gives an interesting quote, from Pope John Paul II, as evidence of the latter.

And then she has her whole historical assessment going on, which is important, since science has a history too.

So this is a book for non-Dawkinites/non-fundamentalists. In other words, people who appreciate history and are grounded in a tradition.

That's my take on it at least.

 

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